Take her name out of your dirty transphobe sexist mouth, people like yourself are partly responsible for this crime, how dare you, transphobia dous kill directly and indirectly, have you even read what they called her and about screaming like a boy or a girl? Are you actully complaining because they reported as a transgender girls stabbing when they had no choice as the media straight outed and dead named her like they do with every transperson in a major news story! The news reports are helpful to raise awareness about what is happening among young people rn this was a attack organised over months involving many people are interested in the story, both government the news corporations are not pro trans, far from it, most of the time transpeople are put out a nothing but negative, be happy you get to live your lifetime in the right body, without being forced to live as the wrong gender, seriously, the actual nerve of you 😡
Thank you for this, Prof Phoenix, and I trust this article because you are an academic specialist in the field. I would like to make two comments.
Firstly, what has been the position of the parents and the family of Brianna Ghey in response to the verdict? I'm sure I saw a report that their mother was incandescent with anger and vengeance against the killers, which is understandable. But what I mean is, have the family said anything to confirm or rebut the gender ideologists’ narrative that this was a transgender hate crime?
Secondly, I think you're saying that the politicisation of murders is inevitable and that this is not a bad thing necessarily, but only when it's twisted like it has been in Brianna Ghey’s case.
I was in Tottenham after the Broadwater Farm riot in 1985, which was sparked by a politicised death, namely that of Cherry Groce, a black woman who died following a police raid on her home. Then PC Colin Blakelock was hacked to death in the riot and Bernie Sanders, the Haringey Council leader at the time, was hung out to dry because he made a comment that the police had it coming to them.
Murder victims are easily turned into martyrs by one side or another in a political conflict. Indeed, making a martyr of a murder victim is one of the most potent ways of drawing more people into supporting a cause.
Thank you for these comments. And yes, you got exactly what I was saying. Funny you should mention Broadwater Farm because I had included it in the original version. Cherry Groce was (I thought) connected with the Brixton riot and Broadwater (like a week later) with the death of Cynthia Jarret when police raided her house. No matter, your point remains relevant. The policing of black communities, the conditions of housing, the deaths of young black men in police cells in the 80s, the law n order politics of ‘the new right’, mass unemployment that hit black communities hardest.... the point is that there were already in place a set of contested politics and the deaths connected with those two riots were always going to be politicised.
Ghey's death may not have been motivated by gender/id/whatever you want to call it but from the GC perspective I actually think it is valid to connect this in background. This person was isolated socially and physically (as were the killers but due to other forms of social disconnection) - the death would not have happened if all these kids were happily sitting around warm family hearth instead of wondering the streets alone w/o supervision. Pls don't interpret this as suggestion the victim's parents were negligent - other than having fallen into the trans-pipeline. The gender industry further made a vulnerable person even more vulnerable.
There are others who share your view - and I understand why this is an appealing analysis - but I worry that some GCers also give a weight to trans status that is undue. But you raise a different and potentially more pertinent point which has to do with public space and the extent to which public space / parks have been abandoned by local authorities. there used to be park wardens and public spaces were 'ordered' spaces where generations mixed. I would be quite interested in what an urban geographer might make of a mapping of knife related deaths in uk.
The case laid out in court by the prosecution and supported by the defense clearly showed that there was no hate crime involved in the killing. This was a very rare and well known type of crime, a thrill killing, a determination again supported by the evidence presented by the prosecution, the defense, and the killers themselves. The fact that the activists ignored the evidence and the finding of the jury substantiates what a vile and disgusting movement it has become as revealed by their social media commentary.
I’m honoured Fred that you took the time to read and comment. Yes. It is a rare type of murder- esp in UK. I didn’t want to go into details about the actual murder. What surprises me is how little commentary there has been about the role of social media. Last time we had a murder like this (James Bulger), there were all sorts of pundits decrying ‘video nasties’ and the role they played in sensitising the two children who killed Bulger to violence. There has been one other similar case that dates back to 60’s. Mary Bell who murdered 5 (if memory serves) boys very brutally. There was a fabulous book written about her called CRIES UNHEARD by Gita Sereny.
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Take her name out of your dirty transphobe sexist mouth, people like yourself are partly responsible for this crime, how dare you, transphobia dous kill directly and indirectly, have you even read what they called her and about screaming like a boy or a girl? Are you actully complaining because they reported as a transgender girls stabbing when they had no choice as the media straight outed and dead named her like they do with every transperson in a major news story! The news reports are helpful to raise awareness about what is happening among young people rn this was a attack organised over months involving many people are interested in the story, both government the news corporations are not pro trans, far from it, most of the time transpeople are put out a nothing but negative, be happy you get to live your lifetime in the right body, without being forced to live as the wrong gender, seriously, the actual nerve of you 😡
Thank you for this, Prof Phoenix, and I trust this article because you are an academic specialist in the field. I would like to make two comments.
Firstly, what has been the position of the parents and the family of Brianna Ghey in response to the verdict? I'm sure I saw a report that their mother was incandescent with anger and vengeance against the killers, which is understandable. But what I mean is, have the family said anything to confirm or rebut the gender ideologists’ narrative that this was a transgender hate crime?
Secondly, I think you're saying that the politicisation of murders is inevitable and that this is not a bad thing necessarily, but only when it's twisted like it has been in Brianna Ghey’s case.
I was in Tottenham after the Broadwater Farm riot in 1985, which was sparked by a politicised death, namely that of Cherry Groce, a black woman who died following a police raid on her home. Then PC Colin Blakelock was hacked to death in the riot and Bernie Sanders, the Haringey Council leader at the time, was hung out to dry because he made a comment that the police had it coming to them.
Murder victims are easily turned into martyrs by one side or another in a political conflict. Indeed, making a martyr of a murder victim is one of the most potent ways of drawing more people into supporting a cause.
Thank you for these comments. And yes, you got exactly what I was saying. Funny you should mention Broadwater Farm because I had included it in the original version. Cherry Groce was (I thought) connected with the Brixton riot and Broadwater (like a week later) with the death of Cynthia Jarret when police raided her house. No matter, your point remains relevant. The policing of black communities, the conditions of housing, the deaths of young black men in police cells in the 80s, the law n order politics of ‘the new right’, mass unemployment that hit black communities hardest.... the point is that there were already in place a set of contested politics and the deaths connected with those two riots were always going to be politicised.
Ghey's death may not have been motivated by gender/id/whatever you want to call it but from the GC perspective I actually think it is valid to connect this in background. This person was isolated socially and physically (as were the killers but due to other forms of social disconnection) - the death would not have happened if all these kids were happily sitting around warm family hearth instead of wondering the streets alone w/o supervision. Pls don't interpret this as suggestion the victim's parents were negligent - other than having fallen into the trans-pipeline. The gender industry further made a vulnerable person even more vulnerable.
There are others who share your view - and I understand why this is an appealing analysis - but I worry that some GCers also give a weight to trans status that is undue. But you raise a different and potentially more pertinent point which has to do with public space and the extent to which public space / parks have been abandoned by local authorities. there used to be park wardens and public spaces were 'ordered' spaces where generations mixed. I would be quite interested in what an urban geographer might make of a mapping of knife related deaths in uk.
Thank you for this very sober and well considered article. The stats are very illuminating.
As far as the TRA's go, at every turn, Stonewall et al are more than happy to misrepresent the Law as it stands.
That activists are prepared to twist events to suit their agenda should not surprise us.
What is bitterly disappointing is that so many of our elected representatives are willing to swallow and repeat the lies.
From the famous movie : a few good men: thry can't handle the truth
The case laid out in court by the prosecution and supported by the defense clearly showed that there was no hate crime involved in the killing. This was a very rare and well known type of crime, a thrill killing, a determination again supported by the evidence presented by the prosecution, the defense, and the killers themselves. The fact that the activists ignored the evidence and the finding of the jury substantiates what a vile and disgusting movement it has become as revealed by their social media commentary.
I’m honoured Fred that you took the time to read and comment. Yes. It is a rare type of murder- esp in UK. I didn’t want to go into details about the actual murder. What surprises me is how little commentary there has been about the role of social media. Last time we had a murder like this (James Bulger), there were all sorts of pundits decrying ‘video nasties’ and the role they played in sensitising the two children who killed Bulger to violence. There has been one other similar case that dates back to 60’s. Mary Bell who murdered 5 (if memory serves) boys very brutally. There was a fabulous book written about her called CRIES UNHEARD by Gita Sereny.
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Great article, thanks. They're just bonkers aren't they. I don't know how they can basically lie and sleep at night.
When you have no soul or moral compass, it is easy to lie.
You're assuming the activists have a conscience but if they do their political agenda takes precedence above all else.