Will the recent convicted man who dissected a cat on SM then went onto randomly murder a man be, detained in the womens estate. He now IDs as the opposite sex. News outlets referred to him as she and JKR tweeted her distain, then was attacked by randoms for ‘opening her mouth again’.. it’s crazy !
Off tangent abit…. I spent 7 years leading a women only feminist/ women centred advocacy team into the psychiatric forensic secure sector both NHS /Private ,for women at all 4 levels.
From 1999-2006 . At that time within Broadmoor womens service ( now closed) there were 2 Tim’s 1 Tif Of the 2 men I had full surgery while in the system the other obtained surgery by deception. The one woman had had no surgery just adopted masculine persona.
The rational for housing all 3 on the Womens area was for ‘their safety’.
I suppose my point is that transsexuals as they were known then have probably always been detained within womens secure wards/ prisons.
At that time there none located in the lower levels of security that were known to my team as we mapped this relatively small population locations and each time they moved.
What is actually known publicly, or from research, about the transwomen in women's prisons and all transwomen in jail?
Is there information on, say, level of education, prior occupation, age, marital state, ethnicity?
Is there information on their prior criminal record, if any?
Is there information on their prior gender status? (Suggesting many become trans during their court case without evidence is a similar type of argument to suggesting they are all in for prostitution - I think)
I assume not or there would be accurate info on the crimes that put them in prison. On what basis does the prison service or Min Justice refuse to provide info? I've read a couple of Scottish Prison research articles which provided none of this info.
Am I naive about the difficulties of doing any prison research? I've read quite a bit of UK intimate partner homicide research but there's minimal political controversy about researching men who are convicted "baddies" I should think.
The answer, as far as I am aware, is no, that research has not been done. Part of that is because of a lack of desire to produce research from the trans side, and the difficulty of getting approval for research, combined with a near-total inability to publish anything from, the GC side. Add in that many jurisdictions are muddying the prison figures by not keeping figures of who is trans - wholly buying in to TWAW - and we can see that a) the research is vitally necessary and b) it needs a change in the way prisons, academic institutions and publishers operate.
From reading Roísin Michaux on Twitter, that seems to be correct for many countries on the European continent. In the UK jurisdictions, it has got messy (as I understand it), and I defer to people with far more knowledge than me as to what state the statistics are in currently. I have read that some police forces are recording crimes by gender, not sex, though, in defiance of government guidelines.
So, in short, the answer to a) and b) seems to be yes, the answers to those very important questions are unknown. 😭
Prof Sally Hines claims to believe men can magically change their sex and become women so I am not surprised she made the false claim 'sex offences' in respect of men pretending to be women and who are convicted of male sexual violence against women relates supposedly to 'prostitution convictions!' Ergo 'sex convictions' does not mean prostitution convictions but men convicted of male sexual violence against women and girls.
So yet another deliberate attempt to hide what is really happening which is many men convicted of male sexual violence against women/girls magically claim to be "women" and demand to be incarcerated in women's prisons! How delightful for the male sexual predators to be placed in a women's prison wherein they will then intimidate and subject the female prisoners to male sexual violence!
I have a friend in prison. Male offenders in the special trans wing get en-suite cells (women don't get this) and are accompanied by an officer when using the facilities which are supposed to be cleared of women before they enter (e.g gym or library). This takes precious staff resources away from the women and means the men never have to queue up or wait. It's like an incentive scheme for men to id as trans. This is obviously better than when men were just held in the main prison with the women but we've still got a way to go.
These privileges are shocking but it doesn’t surprise me knowing what I do now about the extreme levels of manipulation these men are capable of. It doesn’t excuse the prison service though for giving them what they want! If they are held in a special trans wing in the womens prison why can’t that be done in the men’s prison?!
Excellent article, cutting straight through the BS to the core of the matter. Women just don’t count, our needs are not prioritised & the most vulnerable women among us are disproportionately impacted. You always provide the evidence and analysis. The likes of Prof Hines et al are morally bankrupt and irredeemable. (Ps. Life after Twitter is achievable & necessary even).
Thankyou for your work. I have and continue to learn from your writing. It is so important to have solid, sustained, committed research in this area. Very easy to disregard women in the most vulnerable situations.
Will the recent convicted man who dissected a cat on SM then went onto randomly murder a man be, detained in the womens estate. He now IDs as the opposite sex. News outlets referred to him as she and JKR tweeted her distain, then was attacked by randoms for ‘opening her mouth again’.. it’s crazy !
Off tangent abit…. I spent 7 years leading a women only feminist/ women centred advocacy team into the psychiatric forensic secure sector both NHS /Private ,for women at all 4 levels.
From 1999-2006 . At that time within Broadmoor womens service ( now closed) there were 2 Tim’s 1 Tif Of the 2 men I had full surgery while in the system the other obtained surgery by deception. The one woman had had no surgery just adopted masculine persona.
The rational for housing all 3 on the Womens area was for ‘their safety’.
I suppose my point is that transsexuals as they were known then have probably always been detained within womens secure wards/ prisons.
At that time there none located in the lower levels of security that were known to my team as we mapped this relatively small population locations and each time they moved.
What is actually known publicly, or from research, about the transwomen in women's prisons and all transwomen in jail?
Is there information on, say, level of education, prior occupation, age, marital state, ethnicity?
Is there information on their prior criminal record, if any?
Is there information on their prior gender status? (Suggesting many become trans during their court case without evidence is a similar type of argument to suggesting they are all in for prostitution - I think)
I assume not or there would be accurate info on the crimes that put them in prison. On what basis does the prison service or Min Justice refuse to provide info? I've read a couple of Scottish Prison research articles which provided none of this info.
Am I naive about the difficulties of doing any prison research? I've read quite a bit of UK intimate partner homicide research but there's minimal political controversy about researching men who are convicted "baddies" I should think.
The answer, as far as I am aware, is no, that research has not been done. Part of that is because of a lack of desire to produce research from the trans side, and the difficulty of getting approval for research, combined with a near-total inability to publish anything from, the GC side. Add in that many jurisdictions are muddying the prison figures by not keeping figures of who is trans - wholly buying in to TWAW - and we can see that a) the research is vitally necessary and b) it needs a change in the way prisons, academic institutions and publishers operate.
So are the answers to the following questions unknown?
1. How many trans women are housed in women's prisons?
2. What are their offences?
From reading Roísin Michaux on Twitter, that seems to be correct for many countries on the European continent. In the UK jurisdictions, it has got messy (as I understand it), and I defer to people with far more knowledge than me as to what state the statistics are in currently. I have read that some police forces are recording crimes by gender, not sex, though, in defiance of government guidelines.
So, in short, the answer to a) and b) seems to be yes, the answers to those very important questions are unknown. 😭
There's places to put academic journal articles. Not enough but they are there.
True. I think they will become an invaluable resource in the near future.
Arghhhh! Now I’m going to screeeeaam!!
Thank you for defending my rights, Jo! XX
Prof Sally Hines claims to believe men can magically change their sex and become women so I am not surprised she made the false claim 'sex offences' in respect of men pretending to be women and who are convicted of male sexual violence against women relates supposedly to 'prostitution convictions!' Ergo 'sex convictions' does not mean prostitution convictions but men convicted of male sexual violence against women and girls.
So yet another deliberate attempt to hide what is really happening which is many men convicted of male sexual violence against women/girls magically claim to be "women" and demand to be incarcerated in women's prisons! How delightful for the male sexual predators to be placed in a women's prison wherein they will then intimidate and subject the female prisoners to male sexual violence!
As usual your writing is spot on & relevant. I loved your writing as an OU student & still keep learning from you.
As for the comments regarding those trans women in female prisons
my blood does boil over. If they are separated anyway from the rest of the prison population they should be in a man’s prison with the same control.
I have a friend in prison. Male offenders in the special trans wing get en-suite cells (women don't get this) and are accompanied by an officer when using the facilities which are supposed to be cleared of women before they enter (e.g gym or library). This takes precious staff resources away from the women and means the men never have to queue up or wait. It's like an incentive scheme for men to id as trans. This is obviously better than when men were just held in the main prison with the women but we've still got a way to go.
These privileges are shocking but it doesn’t surprise me knowing what I do now about the extreme levels of manipulation these men are capable of. It doesn’t excuse the prison service though for giving them what they want! If they are held in a special trans wing in the womens prison why can’t that be done in the men’s prison?!
Entirely agree - not forgetting if the women misgender them they lose privileges.
That’s a breach of womens rights to their belief….
I think so but it would be costly to challenge. Dr Kate Coleman of KPSS is fighting their corner.
Yes. Don’t get me started on the diversion of in prison resources….
Excellent article, cutting straight through the BS to the core of the matter. Women just don’t count, our needs are not prioritised & the most vulnerable women among us are disproportionately impacted. You always provide the evidence and analysis. The likes of Prof Hines et al are morally bankrupt and irredeemable. (Ps. Life after Twitter is achievable & necessary even).
Thankyou for your work. I have and continue to learn from your writing. It is so important to have solid, sustained, committed research in this area. Very easy to disregard women in the most vulnerable situations.